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Received: by 10.101.211.5 with SMTP id n5mr5396131anq.50.1277830481592; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:54:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.139.8 with SMTP id r8ls4351071ann.7.p; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.20.2 with SMTP id 2mr5436303ant.1.1277830481356; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.2.12 with SMTP id e12mr305899wai.0.1277801521056; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.2.12 with SMTP id e12mr305896wai.0.1277801521018; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <BIL...@aol.com> Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d12si1927607wam.3.2010.06.29.01.52.00; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 17.254.13.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of BIL...@aol.com) client-ip=17.254.13.22; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 17.254.13.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of BIL...@aol.com) smtp.mail=BIL...@aol.com Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [17.128.113.52]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C278B9A88089 for <RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com>; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:52:00 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7b53ae000005755-e9-4c29b4306062 Received: from localhost.localdomain (selfserve.apple.com [17.203.40.11]) (using TLS with cipher AES256-SHA (AES256-SHA/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 14.84.22357.034B92C4; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:57:53 -0500 From: BIL...@aol.com (BIL...@aol.com) To: RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <cde.23a90b08.34e37061@aol.com> Subject: [RC] "Vote for Obama" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= Ernie : You pointed out that - ...as I recall, you once told me that Obama had 'zero chance' of getting the nomination. So, are you ready to let *me* say I told you so about that? :-) Know what ? I admire the candor of many journalists who have said something in words to the effect, "I have been so wrong about nearly everything so far about this election that I will not make any new predictions." I don't know about "any" further predictions, but the principle is absolutely sound. About Obama's zero chance for the nomination, did I really say that ? Nah, I couldn't have possibly done so, some hacker must have sneaked in and typed those words in my name when I wasn't looking. :-( In my defense, it didn't take me too much time to understand the dangers of trying to predict the election, either side, even if, at the outset, I was less cautious. I also take ( at least limited ) comfort in the fact that just about everyone has been wrong repeatedly about Politics 2008. This has been most sobering. What new surprises lurk over the horizon ? ------------------------------- Billy, you of all people should know that "responding" is a very different thing than "agreeing," and "listening" is very different than "changing one's mind." Well, yeah, I know the difference. But the point that I thought I was making was that we simply cannot look forward to the kind of political results we most want. My entire case is results based. Sure, Obama may well , if elected, try to be nice to everyone, etc and try to not have an administration with bickering as its centerpiece., but I'm interested in the outcomes, not the "style" of a hypothetical administration. What might we actually get by way of an Obama White House, if,God forbid, it came to that ? If what we get is immorality dressed up in rhetorical flourishes and nice sounding addresses to the nation, I really would not give a rat's a$$ what kind of amiable style he uses while governing. And you know what else ? If what he did was what his record suggests he would do, you could bet your last dime that there would be a massive negative reaction by everyone who voted for him and who then felt betrayed. I don't think Obama will "govern from the center" on polarized issues. But, I believe he will not let disagreements over those lead to the sort of nasty partisan battles that have prevented agreement on areas where there *is* room for compromise. Say what ? Let me get this right. There is disagreement over polarized issues. Pick any ten, the more explosive the better. He decides to appoint a justice who strongly favors abortion, let us say. The result is, WHAT ??? No nasty partisan battles ? Really ? What ARE you smoking, Ernie. ? Its been some years since I have had any good weed, but the stash you seem to have must be Pure PRIMO. Expect me to be there as soon as I can afford a ticket. I'll take a kilo. ;-D Best wishes Billy =================================================== In a message dated 2/12/2008 1:03:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, drernie at radicalcentrism.org writes: Hi Billy, On Feb 12, 2008, at 12:29 PM, BILROJ at aol.com wrote: > He is not about to come through on any of his bi-partisan promises, > at least > to judge by the available evidence, his political voting record. > That record is close to > 100 % purely Democratic Party, party-line, strict partisan. I think your expectation of what sort of bi-partisanship we are looking for from Obama is very different than what Jordan and I expect. Obama is *not* a centrist, he is very much a (modern) liberal. But I don't see him as a "partisan" in the usual sense of the word. I'm not sure you recognize the distinction. > On values issues he is 180 degrees wrong about nearly everything. > Now he is supposedly going to start to listen to values voters > and respond in a meaningful way ? ? ? Billy, you of all people should know that "responding" is a very different thing than "agreeing," and "listening" is very different than "changing one's mind." :-) I don't think Obama will "govern from the center" on polarized issues. But, I believe he will not let disagreements over those lead to the sort of nasty partisan battles that have prevented agreement on areas where there *is* room for compromise. > OK, he has so mesmerized multitudes that little I can say can break > through > to anyone's "rational brain." All sorts of people want to BELIEVE > IN Obama. > Very well, in the future I reserve the right to say, "I told you > so>" and the > right to rub everyone's noses in it. Sure! Though as I recall, you once told me that Obama had 'zero chance' of getting the nomination. So, are you ready to let *me* say I told you so about that? :-) -- Ernie P. _______________________________________________ Centroids mailing list: Centroids at radicalcentrism.com http://radicalcentrism.com/mailman/listinfo/centroids_radicalcentrism.com Archives at http://radicalcentrism.org/pipermail/centroids_radicalcentrism.com/ **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://radicalcentrism.com/pipermail/centroids_radicalcentrism.com/attachments/20080212/9d19da55/attachment.html

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