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Received: by 10.91.85.8 with SMTP id n8mr8200512agl.3.1257720480606; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.91.85.8 with SMTP id n8mr8200509agl.3.1257720480542; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:48:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <peter.gwo...@rogers.com> Received: from n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com (n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.237.93]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 24si190833yxe.11.2009.11.08.14.47.59; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.142.237.93 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of peter.gwo...@rogers.com) client-ip=68.142.237.93; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.142.237.93 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of peter.gwo...@rogers.com) smtp.mail=peter.gwo...@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header...@rogers.com Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2009 22:47:59 -0000 Received: from [216.252.111.168] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2009 22:47:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp103.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Nov 2009 22:47:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 168472.18169...@omp103.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 84861 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2009 22:47:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1257720478; bh=F+FaQ7G+d258+273hj6rP+fk6DGspD1eQkYg61UzQlw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FNAV8NcypyMbbOI8pMUIPN8PukAlo+6lUKvFZ85NT0JEoSiVAE3JZz9KttQecg36XxpAZTVNSTxRnFzGMGcRH60xBuzbBPJqbdNxkaNRlI/40FyBaqJ8ek5c1q7hpmTQQgFfmxpr0HeQEz9k6B9/5iOQkbhbhMbJ6R+/s2Nof5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I4tjQC/eJb0Mh0qe9LyZoMlx/RB6+i2WUO6q1HkGi8mW6wUYnt0RfRGXHD+n6cyYL9+084eS8lLhJTWdk1ZijFrTuyoDeqYlX8Wnk662mdIk4jtl+kca+ldDGwFlEaSZbSC9Xtg+6JnC8KzvfC/IKns3uRZ/CPy2TUTtOT3AQkg=; Message-ID: <897147.84587...@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: omKTyDYVM1mycnevUKB2bK8rV6BRiQqv1p.XkPZ3Dod8xKTPAeUaHP.__UfLYkxM563EvzDri7xNKJOAdLTjlKc_VQMSI3SLhAKbFXm4Ew.EwxKTTdZksGTWzww3YnDEeN5UamvD9nUE5JgKX8dU1RaUAs_kn0Rv8wYYdlVtT2l.6vczjGEC7qniz9HQdDdtOTPSBVeSoaui1izUN_M_7T4PItmFz4mSmp2yxb3A8rYjutqLBwc97m0SMk5p.zM.kaWNyB.PGLytbfUQv2HgGA7IldpCpdbRMSsnzjaAVAyeAtQ8vOA2PusM9jnqaAhkC.UIwes0rP2g7llsI1ybdOeMWbNaqha3bpmpn8S7kgMwwO2vYHlebDQVTzcru0cieRNW1kREdEaZXsFAQY5zOlBK3yJMAY2zYCeUz9ofBGyqPi7oV5e1dG8Q.JS2gPp6VVVBPuHeZ3QQ2wk7xfb4PNGlwqBNi_D_P.LumwBP7s_mTNqQskQjsRufY9DQQ.EIqBOHD60k3jOF42_x8ax_4S5aSUxKqtfuoqiWRG8ihzajCaoGM00NsIdAb6CFDBJTFwbjMkPjCCOj8yf8_3rVg4QdrEib9akByPyyJtsRKAG6rjp3yVjcm6POxxaL8PSjaglwuOU- Received: from [99.241.16.147] by web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:47:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 References: <COL115-W198D53065B2E1650157D22C2...@phx.gbl> <COL115-W5734068879527FE3802BAFC2...@phx.gbl> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:47:58 -0800 (PST) From: Peter-Rhaina Gwokto <peter.gwo...@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [Str8talk-2011] Re: Obama's predicament To: str8talk-ug2011@googlegroups.com, Northernlight...@yahoogroups.com, Ugandans-at-Heart@googlegroups.com, mulin...@look.ca, mkit...@gmail.com, jop3...@aol.com In-Reply-To: <COL115-W5734068879527FE3802BAFC2...@phx.gbl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-698115204-1257720478=:84587" --0-698115204-1257720478=:84587 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did someone say odii and m'kwang? I was enjoying my sleep after a long=C2= =A010hr return drive with family. And did I also hear of a Tea Part somewhe= re? What is that? Sorry folks. Several things happen when you dream - all t= he good, the bad and the=C2=A0ugly. That is what makes dreams fair. Tonight= you dream of holding a=C2=A0Tea Party and 2moro, some opposition member is= not simply arguing points with you but=C2=A0he refuses to understand so de= cides to pull out an Omani dagger and plugs it between your ribs. When you = wake up from the dream pain, you will find your hands exactly on the=C2=A0s= tabbing spot. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 So now Ochieno is inviting=C2=A0M7 to a Tea Party, ehe..! Is it a colonial = addiction he got from kyeyo in England or he is trying to modernize politic= s in Uganda? Why=C2=A0couldn't he say he would first invite Kagz for a "Cal= ming-Down Bull Roasting" in his village to say sorry for slapping you and K= agz would have to reply "I think I slapped you harder. Sorry Bro". Incident= ally, every African must have a village. If you don't have or know your vil= lage, dude, you are screwed; in fact, even if you own a mansion in Kampala,= youmu are homeless. =C2=A0 I swear I have not read Ochieno's Come-In=C2=A0in the report being discusse= d here but I also know that Kaguta has consistently invited big-wigs to his= -cum-Uganda demonstration Ranch where he has government-paid herdsmen from = the PGB payroll and degreed veterinary doctors from the=C2=A0Vet. Departmen= t. The only thing is that they act funny and if you want to know why it is = because they need to portray a traditional African setting. That is it. For= get Michael Jackson's "This Is It" because there is a difference between Th= is is It and That is It.=C2=A0The latter is by invitation only. =C2=A0 I can tell you folks who are saying Oryema is a one-liner on the=C2=A0Tea P= arty that defeating a political opponent is a real democracy is always beca= use of=C2=A0a particular one-liner. You can flash back or back flash on any= western democracy and you will find that the losers were brought down by o= ne-liners to the total neglect of real issues.=C2=A0In politics you must be= arrogant but be able to defend the arrogance to folks who love fun, not is= sues. Western democratic elections are about having fun until the winner di= scovers 'oh shit, what did I just do? Win". Then he or she - in the case of= Germany - will begin to regroup with, this time, a serious=C2=A0circle whe= re you will not see many of the clowns that generated excitement during cam= paigns. How many familiar face seen on the Obama campaigns or the=C2=A0GWB = campaigns were the when they lined the admin team at the White House?=C2=A0= None. In politics, you need to first create a winning circus of clowns and = they are the ones who will seal your fate. You set up lousy clowns, you loose. =C2=A0 Going back to OJ, I can guarantee you folks that Museveni=C2=A0will tell=C2= =A0Ochieno that he never=C2=A0"takes" tea because tea is a colonial import = or =E2=80=9Cwith all the money you earned smooching the Queen, don=E2=80=99= t you have cows or milk in your village, dude?=E2=80=9D. I also guarantee a= drop of pee in Ochieno's pants in reaction to this surprise response from = Kagz. Is Ochieno re-colonizing our minds when he decides to invite Kagz to = a=C2=A0Tea Party? Have we all heard of the Boston Tea Party or the ritualis= tic Evening/Afternoon Tea that you folks have in England. In=C2=A0Canada, l= ike Uganda, we drink (not take) tea any time. =C2=A0 I now know the party=C2=A0I will support during the clowning stage - of cou= rse it is NRM because there are many one-liners to exploit from opponents i= n colonial three-piece suits, try to speak English with an unnaturally forc= ed accent and even hold the tea cup in a cup in a certain way for the shake= of showing their civility yet at the end the cups and kettle will have to = be washed together including those who were not held=C2=A0in a civilized ma= nner and the tea will most definitely fine=C2=A0kalo or cassava in Katz=E2= =80=99s stomach; not English biscuits. =C2=A0 From now on, Ochieno will have to struggle with this Tea thingi which even = a pauper like me=C2=A0can exploit in many ways to lay him waste. It is a re= turn to a colonial past that not a single Ugandan - for or against NRM - wa= nts to hear. If this is what he is suggesting in just the=C2=A0opening salv= o of his campaign, how many more are=C2=A0in the offing=C2=A0for political = Juggernauts like me to make good bucks from his political enemies beacuse o= f his uneducated slip or tounge and misuse of the English vocab? =C2=A0 Big mistake, Mr. Ochieno...! Don=E2=80=99t try to be modern with son of Kag= uta. He will strike you so hard with a sentence to the villagers you will n= ot know=C2=A0how shitty your=C2=A0civility - not modernity - is. =C2=A0 ___________________________ Peter-Rhaina Gwokto Remember: "Even a small dog can piss on a tall building". Jim Hightower C'mon in=C2=A0to my Blog=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 ________________________________ From: allan barigye <barigyeal...@hotmail.com> To: "str8talk-ug2...@googegroups.com" <str8talk-ug2011@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 2:49:15 PM Subject: [Str8talk-2011] Re: Obama's predicament Nya'=20 If Obama has to sustain some power to knock the old system, he needs to kee= p the fire burning in the millions of th youth who voted for him. They are = =C2=A0a one time voters, they don't either have time or never care at thing= s, though petty to them, ultimately affect them in the end. It is the old t= imers who vote. And=C2=A0until=C2=A0all these oldies are six feet under, he= won't=C2=A0achieve=C2=A0much. May be he is just a transitional=C2=A0transc= ending=C2=A0figure. ________________________________ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:37:49 +0100 Subject: [Str8talk-2011] Re: Obama's predicament From: nyaronya...@gmail.com To: str8talk-ug2011@googlegroups.com Barigye, This is a very old system that Obama is trying to knock down - it is by the= rich of the rich and for the rich.=C2=A0 Even a baby step is worth somethi= ng going for.=C2=A0 Obama will be there - one by one makes a bundle.....wat= ch this space. Nice week to you all. Nya'Onyango 2009/11/8 allan barigye <barigyeal...@hotmail.com> > >The dilute luo blood in Obama will cost him alot. he needs to be more forc= eful. Can some one send him Odi, m'kwang and kalo, even at this late age, i= t may have some effect. Luo's=C2=A0normally=C2=A0don't bend backwards, what= is wrong with him? The healthcare =C2=A0bill need to pass. This is where t= he GOP=C2=A0excel.I admire them. Even in selling air, they are the masters.= =C2=A0 >________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail: Your friends can get your Facebook updates, right fro= m Hotmail=C2=AE. > > ________________________________ Windows Live: Friends get your Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they e-m= ail you. --0-698115204-1257720478=:84587 Content-Type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><style type=3D"text/css"></style></he= ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-si= ze:14pt"><DIV></DIV> <DIV> Did someone say odii and m'kwang? I was enjoying my sleep after a long=  10hr return drive with family. And did I also hear of a Tea Part some= where? What is that? Sorry folks. Several things happen when you dream - al= l the good, the bad and the ugly. That is what makes dreams fair. Toni= ght you dream of holding a Tea Party and 2moro, some opposition member is not simply argu= ing points with you but he refuses to understand so decides to pull <S= PAN class=3Dmark>out an Omani dagger an= d plugs it between your rib= s. When you wake up from the dream pain, you will find your hands exactly on the stabbing spot.<?xm= l:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /= ><o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> So now <SPA= N id=3Dmisspell-6>Ochieno is inviting M7 to a Tea Party,= ehe..! Is it a <SPA= N class=3Dmark>colonial addiction he go= t from kyeyo in <?xm= l:namespace prefix =3D st1 ns =3D "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smartta= gs" /><st1:country-region w:st=3D"on">England</st1:country-region> or he is= trying to modernize politics in <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place= w:st=3D"on">Uganda</st1:place></st1:country-region>? Why couldn't he = say he would first invite Kagz</S= PAN> for a "Calming-Down Bull Roasting" in his village to say sorry = for slapping you and Kagz would have to reply "I think I slapped you harder= . Sorry Bro". Incidentally, every African must have a village. If you don't have or know your village,= dude, you are screwed; in fact, even if you own a mansion in <st1:City w:s= t=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Kampala</st1:place></st1:City>, youmu are h= omeless.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I swear I have not read Ochieno's Come-In in= the report being discussed here but I also know that <S= PAN id=3Dmisspell-12>Kaguta has consistently invited big-wigs to his-cum-Ugand= a demonstration Ranch where he has government-paid herdsmen from the PGB payroll and degreed veterinary doctors f= rom the Vet. Department. The only thing is that they act funny and if = you want to know why it is because they need to portray a traditional Afric= an setting. That is it. Forget Michael Jackson's "This Is It" because there= is a difference between This is It and That is It. The latter is by i= nvitation only.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I can tell you folks who are s= aying Oryema is a one-liner on the Tea P= arty that defeating a political opponent is a real democracy is always because of a parti= cular one-liner. You can flash back or back flash on any western democracy and you will find t= hat the losers were brought down by one-liners to the total neglect of real= issues. In politics you must be arrogant but be able to defend the ar= rogance to folks wh= o love fun, not issues. Western democratic elections are about having fun u= ntil the winner discovers 'oh shit, what did I just do? Win". Then he or sh= e - in the case of <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Germany</st1:place>= </st1:country-region> - will begi= n to regroup with, this time, a serious circle where you will n= ot see many of the clowns that generated excitement during campaigns. How m= any familiar face seen on the Oba= ma campaigns or the GWB campaigns= were the when they lined the admin team at the White House?&= nbsp;None. In politics, you need to first create a winning circus of clowns= and they are the ones who will seal your fate. You set up lousy clowns, yo= u loose.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Going back to OJ, I can guaran= tee you folks that Museveni</SPAN= > will tell Ochi= eno that he never "takes" tea because tea is a colonial = import or =E2=80=9Cwith all the money you earned smooching the Queen, don= =E2=80=99t you have cows or milk in your village, dude?=E2=80=9D. I also gu= arantee a drop of pee in Ochieno'= s pants in reaction to this surprise response from Kagz. Is <= SPAN id=3Dmisspell-29>Ochieno re-colonizing our minds when he= decides to invite Kagz</S= PAN> to a Tea Party? Have we all heard of the Boston Tea Party or the = ritualistic Evening/Afternoon Tea that you folks have i= n <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:country-region w:st=3D"on">England</st1:count= ry-region></st1:place>. In <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on">Canada</st1= :country-region>, like <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"o= n">Uganda</st1:place></st1:country-region>, we drink (not take) tea any tim= e.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I now know the party I wi= ll support during the clowning stage - of course it is <= SPAN id=3Dmisspell-32>NRM because there are many one-liners t= o exploit from opponents in colonial three-piece suits, try to speak Englis= h with an unnaturally forced accent and even hold the tea cup in a cup in a= certain way for the shake of showing their civility yet at the end the cup= s and kettle will have to be washed together including those who were not h= eld in a civilized manner and the tea will most definitely fine <= SPAN class=3Dmark>kalo or cassava in <= SPAN class=3Dmark>Katz=E2=80=99s stoma= ch; not English biscuits.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> From now on, Ochieno will have to struggle with t= his Tea thingi whic= h even a pauper like me can exploit in many ways to lay him waste. It = is a return to a colonial past that not a single Ugandan - for or against <= SPAN id=3Dmisspell-38>NRM - wants to hear. If this is what he= is suggesting in just the opening salvo of his <SP= AN id=3Dmisspell-39>campaign, how many more are in the <= FONT size=3D3 face=3D"garamond, new york, times, serif">offing for pol= itical Juggernauts </SP= AN>like me to make good bucks from his political enemies beacuse of = his uneducated slip or tounge and misuse of the English vocab?<o:p></o:p></= SPAN>  <o:p></o:p> Big mistake, Mr. Ochieno...! Don=E2=80=99t try to= be modern with son of <SP= AN class=3Dmark>Kaguta. He will strike you so= hard with a sentence to the villagers you will not know how shitty yo= ur civility - not modernity - is.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></S= PAN>  </DIV> <DIV>___________________________</DIV> <DIV>Peter-Rhaina Gwokto</FONT= ></DIV> <DIV>Remember: "Even= a small dog can piss on a tall building". Jim Hightower</FON= T></DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"ht= tp://lakitgum.wordpress.com/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>C'mon in = to my Blog </A>  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 14p= t"> <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SI= ZE: 12pt"> <HR SIZE=3D1> From: allan barigye <bar= igyeal...@hotmail.com> To:</SPAN= > "str8talk-ug2...@googegroups.com" <str8talk-ug2...@googlegroups.co= m> Sent: Sun, Novembe= r 8, 2009 2:49:15 PM Subject:</SPAN= > [Str8talk-2011] Re: Obama's predicament <STYLE></STYLE> Nya' <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If Obama has to sustain some power to knock the old system, he needs t= o keep the fire burning in the millions of th youth who voted for him. They= are  a one time voters, they don't either have time or never care at = things, though petty to them, ultimately affect them in the end. It is the = old timers who vote. And until all these oldies are six feet unde= r, he won't achieve much. May be he is just a transitional t= ranscending figure. <HR id=3DstopSpelling> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:37:49 +0100 Subject: [Str8talk-2011] Re: Obama'= s predicament From: nyaronya...@gmail.com To: str8talk-ug2011@googleg= roups.com Barigye, This is a very old system that Obama is tr= ying to knock down - it is by the rich of the rich and for the rich.  = Even a baby step is worth something going for.  Obama will be there - = one by one makes a bundle.....watch this space. Nice week to you= all. Nya'Onyango <DIV class=3Decxgmail_quote>2009/11/8 allan barigye <<A = href=3D"mailto:barigyeal...@hotmail.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank yma= ilto=3D"mailto:barigyeal...@hotmail.com">barigyeal...@hotmail.com</A>></= SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Decxgmail_quote> <DIV> <DIV class=3Decxim> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The dilute luo blood in Obama will cost him alot. he needs to be more = forceful. Can some one send him Odi, m'kwang and kalo, even at this late ag= e, it may have some effect. Luo's normally don't bend backwards, = what is wrong with him? The healthcare  bill need to pass. This is whe= re the GOP excel.I admire them. Even in selling air, they are the mast= ers. </DIV> <HR> Windows Live Hotmail: <A href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/window= s/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=3DPID23461::= T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_4:092009" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>Your f= riends can get your Facebook updates, right from Hotmail=C2=AE.</A> </DI= V> <DIV class=3Decxim></DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> </DIV><BR= > <HR> Windows Live: <A href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/window= slive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=3DPID23461::T:WLMTAG= L:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_3:092010" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>Friends get yo= ur Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they e-mail you.</A> </DI= V></DIV></div></body></html> --0-698115204-1257720478=:84587--

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