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Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!g17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Go-America <writing...@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.usa,alt.politics.usa.congress Subject: Re: Obama: America Should Lead the World<- and can Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 04:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Lines: 201 Message-ID: <9211ea3b-27e7-4f18-b07f-a5508972261c@g17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> References: <161016fb-a221-43ac-958b-9cf40eded451@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com><59413269-1a31-4cfe-a9b5-e0a97f2c1212@l20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <i5m3h231p5h@news2.newsguy.com> <i5m49r$qah$1@news.eternal-september.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.185.169.246 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1283427025 5467 127.0.0.1 (2 Sep 2010 11:30:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 11:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com; posting-host=72.185.169.246; posting-account=N0yA7goAAAA_25PYVD70KC33JcyP1m8F User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET4.0C),gzip(gfe) On Sep 1, 1:59=A0pm, "Sid9" <s...@belsouth.net> wrote: > "Michael Coburn" <mik...@verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:i5m3h231p5h@news2.newsguy.com... > > > On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 06:45:34 -0700, Go-America wrote: > > >> On Aug 31, 8:55 pm, Go-America <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> In the President's speech, there were many half truths and full lies, > >>> but I will reply to those separately. =A0Here, I will praise some > >>> comments of his speech that are worthy of honor. > > >>> - The President said that no challenge we face is more essential to o= ur > >>> security than our struggle against Al Queda (I'm misspelling it on > >>> purpose). > > >>> - The President said that we have to go on offense against the Taliba= n > >>> and Al Queda leadership. > > >>> - The President said that our influence in the world should not be > >>> military alone, but that we must influence the world with our > >>> diplomacy, our economy, and our example. > > >>> - The President said, "As the leader of the free world, America will = do > >>> more than just defeat on the battle field those who offer hatred and > >>> destruction." =A0That would be those areas mentioned, above. > > >>> - The President condemned record deficits, saying this was robbing ou= r > >>> people and more. > > >>> - The President said we have too long put off dealing with tough > >>> decisions. > > >>> - The President said that generations have fought for "the dream that= a > >>> better life awaits for anyone who works for it and reaches for it." > > >>> -The President said our most urgent task is the economy. > > >>> All of these are true. =A0Many ring hollow coming from this President= , > >>> but they are true...and I wanted to thank him for having the courage = to > >>> say it (his side will not like hearing some of them) and to commit > >>> myself to helping America with every one of those things he said, > >>> above. > > >>> In fact, I am going to file away my criticisms of this President and > >>> his speech till tomorrow, when I will reply to this post with them. > >>> Until then, I will back the President. =A0We SHALL overcome the budge= t > >>> deficit. =A0We SHALL overcome Al Queda in Iraq and Afghanistan and > >>> elsewhere. =A0We SHALL support free enterprise (another thing he spok= e > >>> about). =A0We SHALL influence the world politically, economically, > >>> militarily, and by example. =A0We SHALL deal with things that all sid= es > >>> have ignored (such as Social Security, budget deficits, winning the > >>> wars, etc). =A0And, we SHALL achieve a better life than our neighbors= , > >>> due to our hard work and desire. =A0We SHALL do all of these things, > >>> whether Obama is able to bring them about...or we have to elect someo= ne > >>> else who will. > > >>> Go America! > > >> Now...the rest of the story... > > >> -Obama said the combat brigades have left Iraq. =A0What he's not telli= ng > >> you is that many of the brigades in Iraq WERE combat brigades a few da= ys > >> ago...they still have all the heavy weapons and mission. =A0They are j= ust > >> renamed as non-combat brigades. > > >> -Obama praised the Iraqi troops for battling Al Queda in their > >> country....I thought WE were supposed to be fighting Al Queda. =A0Now,= if > >> we are outsourcing that to someone else, how is that not surrender? > >> Further, if he says we must focus our attacks on Al Queda, why are we > >> leaving Iraq, if THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF admits they are in Iraq? > > >> -Obama called the election in Iraq credible, but he failed to mention > >> that there is no existing government in Iraq....NONE...the government > >> has not been seated, since the last election is in doubt (not quite > >> credible). =A0Now, why are we leaving the country (according to Obama) > >> before they even have a credible government? =A0Obama even said the ph= rase > >> "when the government is in place..." admitting it is not, now. > > >> -Obama said Iraq has rejected sectarian war, but the groups fighting i= n > >> Iraq, now, are sectarian. > > >> -Obama said that ending the Iraq war and the Afghan war is in OUR best > >> interests and the interests of those countries. =A0Now, how is it in o= ur > >> best interest to look weak in the world, surrender from battling Al > >> Queda, or leave our allies high and dry? > > >> -Obama the Iraqi war has been a contentious issue, and it is time to > >> turn the page on it. =A0He failed to mention HE caused it to be > >> contentious, himself, prior to being elected. > > >> -Obama said no challenge is more essential to our security than fighti= ng > >> Al Queda, but he is leaving battles with them in Iraq and is more > >> willing to fund special interest projects than our war, against them. > > >> -Obama said that our drawdown in Iraq means we can go on offense in > >> Afghanistan. =A0Excuse me? =A0Why haven't we been on offense for the l= ast 18 > >> months of his Presidency? > > >> -Obama took the time to announce to Al Queda and the Taliban that we > >> would leave Afghanistan in a year, so they can just wait it out. > > >> -Obama said, "Make no mistake, this transition will begin" and gave, a= s > >> the reason, that open ended war is not in our interest or that of > >> Afghanistan. =A0Get that? =A0It won't begin because we WON but because= it's > >> not in our "interest," as he defines it. > > >> -Obama said he condemns the record deficits caused the wars, even as h= e > >> has RUN the wars and spent other record amounts of money on programs. > > >> -Obama said that we have, for too long, put off the tough issues. Well= , > >> he should know. =A0He took nearly 2 years to get around to talking abo= ut > >> deficits, and he has yet to propose ANYTHING to fix Social Security or > >> other entitlement program costs. > > >> In general, this speech sounded like Obama at the start of his > >> Presidency, blaming Bush and saying what he's going to do to fix > >> it...completely ignoring that he's been in office for 18 months withou= t > >> success in any of those areas. =A0You notice he didn't mention his > >> healthcare bill, his spendulus bill, his bank bailouts, his auto > >> bailouts, his oil spill problems, the fact that Iran is developing a > >> nuclear bomb, the fall of the dollar, the high unemployment above leve= ls > >> he promised, the fact that Gitmo is still open, the fact that the wars > >> will continue to be a cost after the drawdowns (of people and money), > >> the failed border security, the high trade deficit, North Korean > >> threats, Russian =A0violations of our sanctions, etc > > >> We SHALL overcome and grow and influence the world, but it will likely > >> take another President. > > >> Go America! > > > Most of these lies have a basis in reality. =A0But the reality is > > Republican obstruction as opposed to Democratic failures. =A0Obama has = not > > made good on the plan to bring bipartisanship. =A0But he is not to blam= e > > for that failure. In all other respects he has done all he could to > > achieve the other goals he set out in his run for the presidency. =A0Ye= t he > > is not running for reelection in November. =A0One wonders why all the > > bashing and hatred is being waged against a person not running for offi= ce > > who has worked for all the things that got him elected. > > > -- > > "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" --http://GreaterVoice.org/6= 0 > > . > . > They are too cowardly to admit their real objection: The color if his ski= n. > > Beck's "Restore Honor" are code words for getting a white man back in to = the > White House. > > RRRS will do anything, say anything, so that Obama fails. > > If Obama fails Americans fail....but Republicans don=92t care I hope Obama succeeds in winning the war on terror. I hope Obama succeeds in opposing the union strangleholds. I hope Obama succeeds in the war in Afghanistan and Iraq (not over yet). I hope Obama succeeds in increasing our trade, so it's not a huge trade deficit. I hope Obama succeeds in ending deficit spending. I hope Obama succeeds in paying for Social Security to make it sound. I hope Obama succeeds in everything I quoted in my first post of this thread, and I will stand with him to do those things (if he really means it). If he can't get it done, we'll get someone that will. Go America! 专科

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